Monday, July 30, 2012

Eschatological Details and The Discerning the World website

From Discerning the World website, notice the mention of Galatians 4:

 The above is from the DTW website. She warns against this website for being against Pre-Trib.

She is right I am vehemently anti-Pre Trib as in I see it setting up Christians for massive deception. {I am not sure if Deb wrote that exact line or just posted it}
With the Discerning the World website, I have many unanswered questions and dare I say disappointments? regarding that website.. I have been noticing some readers and commenters on here going over there, so it's time to say something.  I went over there around 2 years ago and was quite happy, in doing so thinking I would find like-minded people only to find out within days, I was being pressured to leave for being non-Pre-Trib and to holding to the KJV Bible and warning about false Bible versions. I departed ways and will not be posting over there.  If anyone wants to read my conversations over there, they are under the biblebeliever name. They were very against anyone questioning dispensationalism to the extreme, it went far beyond Christians just disagreeing over a matter.

Remember what I posted yesterday on the forums, well it applies to many of the websites too and those who have 'controllers" who sway their audience a certain way. One can't always say for sure,what is happening with each and every website, but there are certain red flags I learned to watch out for.  One technique you will see will be intense teamwork. In other words when you see the 100% defenses and overcompensation and they say other commenters and posters can do no wrong, there is a reason for it. I have seen this done in different places from the Constance Cumbey blog to other false websites and other places where the moderators or blog owners always seem to have sychophants they back up with no question. In other words, preference is given to other posters who are always in 100% agreement. My experiences with one poster calling themselves,  "Burning Lamp" definitely seemed to fulfill #4 Teamwork, as one of the techniques described warning about those who manipulate on websites. One will even find supposedly strong "Christians" standing against false teachers giving a place to someone who is essentially neo-evangelical in many stances.

 I have commenters on my own blog who are pre-trib and disagree with me. If they are civil, I have no problem with them expressing their opinions, but within days of my posting on DTW there was immediate anger over me questioning the Pre-Trib position. I do not consider these things salvation issues, it took time for me even as a Christian to learn and study these matters. This continues to this day. I am in the midst of unloading years worth of dispensationalism lingo and teachings. Even realizing the majority of fundamentalist baptists have it wrong, has me studying God's Word, to test what I have been taught.
This is a big picture comment, I want all my readers to ask themselves why 90% of the false evangelical teachers out there all hold to Pre-Trib without reservation? Why is there not more variation out there? Given what I have exposed on this blog about Dominionism, Christian Zionism and the other NWO set-ups, why don't some see how false Pre-Trib teachings and dispensationalism have tied into all of them?  If one studies even Protestantism of hundreds of years ago, the views were far more wide ranging then the emphasis, on Hal Lindsey inspired Bible prophecy?  Why do we get so much more of the same from so many varying circles?

  The fact that this website tried to insuinate I was Roman Catholic by holding to a "post-trib" position, is absurd. There are 60 plus articles warning against the Catholic church on this blog. I renounce the Roman Catholic church and consider it the satanic harlot warned of in Revelation. We are to warn Catholics and preach the gospel to them, same as I was, before I got out of there. That said,  Deborah may have done me a favor for me to see this little quip, because I was questioning the wisdom of even using post-trib to describe myself because I do reject there being a millennial kingdom on earth.  If one is a non-dispensationalist they are not going to go with the seven dispensationalist periods. If you believe there will be a millennial kingdom, please research and examine things. I do truly believe more and more the millennnialism is being used to help set up things for the Antichrist kingdom [culmination of such] as I even have forwarded my belief, regarding the Pope being the Antichrist.

Is The Pope The Antichrist?

I am of the mind more and more that everything that points away from the Pope and Rome, is playing a "look over here" game instead.

I know eschatology can get complex so I am not going to be a person who deems someone unsaved for disagreeing with me on these issues. However when I see certain beliefs being advanced that include other false teachings, that is when I get worried about a website. I do find websites suspect however who are so overly Pre-Trib while ironically in this case seeming to warn about endless Pre-Trib teachers that the anger is instant upon having a Christian show up with another viewpoint.

I don't believe in a millennial kingdom, I realized I have mistakenly used post-trib to describe myself which, I realize technically that is not true. Given I reject millenialism in general:

Do You Believe in The Millennial Kingdom? [I don't]

Hal Lindsey, Late Great Planet Earth, the Millennial Kingdom, and the Rapture

An Insane Teaching: Animal Sacrifices Will Be Reinstituted?

Leaving the Pre-Trib Position Behind

With the post-trib definition,:

"This doctrine holds that there is a resurrection-rapture of living believers in Jesus Christ at the end of the age (or the "End time"). Post-tribulationists believe that Christians will remain on the Earth through the three and a half year great tribulation period. This period starts at the Abomination of Desolation and ends at the Battle of Armageddon. They will be gathered by the angels to meet Christ in the air (raptured) at Christ's second coming immediately after the great tribulation just before the battle of Armageddon and then return with Him as Christ descends to the Earth, to usher in the Millennium (World to Come) on earth. This is usually understood as being in line with historic premillennialism."

I definitely do not agree with much of this, notice how they have Jesus Christ coming back twice? The Millennial kingdom stuff, is what I reject so obviously given I reject millennialism, even defining myself as "post-trib" seems to be with major difficulties.

What I don't get is how someone can claim post-trib is Catholic [with the millennial kingdom teachings and dispensationalist teachings involved I can see that reasoning] and not see the Catholic roots of the Pre-Trib position.? Darby and Scofield both were false. Others have done good research on Darby which I do not need to retrace the steps of. Even realizing the Jesuit influences of Darby, it is absurd for someone to claim that post-trib is ROMAN CATHOLIC while not seeing for themselves that this would apply to the Pre-Trib position as well
I am realizing even how much of the language is "OWNED", ie PRETERISM is wrong TOO and the majority of amillennials in the liturgical churches fulfill this bible verse:

2 Peter 3:53 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

"Amillennialism" has become the cry of the false liturgicals, who deny all prophecy rejecting what is happening in the world now, Matt 24, endless other Bible passages, or even what the Inquisitions meant when it comes to Bible Prophecy, while they still claim to hold to the Second Coming. I suppose some could technically apply this to those who reject a millennial kingdom but even there, that does not give a full picture. Most of the churches who have labeled themselves as amillenial have fallen away from God's Word sticking to their own false traditions.

Remember how I have talked about how the truth falls through the middle? Well apply it to the eschatological lingo as well. Who came up with the labels to begin with? hmmmmm

Back to the Discerning the World Website, things got very strange for me over there. As my readers know I am not KJV Only in that those like Ruckman make many false claims such as the bible being "new inspiriation",  but I believe that the KJV is the  non-corrupted Bible in the English language. God promised to preserve His Word and did. I had one very strange run-in on the DTW board, when I made my views about the KJV BIble and false Bible versions known.
This was not welcomed either:

What a flippant view of the Bible! Why would anyone flip a coin between bibles? The defenses of the NKJV and other false Bibles were astounding. I found myself asking, how could these people discern false teachers when they could not even discern God's Word properly? I haven't written on these matters, there is only so much time, but when I was a new Christian, I was directed, I believe by God, and I just came out of the RCC knowing very little, to buy a KJV and nothing else. I had contact with other Bibles and they all read wrong, and at that point I studied Bible versions and learned how things were adulterated and even in the case of false Bibles such as the NIV, verses were taken out. I had years worth of reading Catholic bibles, in Catholic school, and elsewhere, I could see the difference. The Holy Spirit warned and taught me of this.

With Bible versions, I can understand a new Christian who is still on the milk not realizing the difference, praying they will listen to the Holy Spirit, but what of people who have been out there for years? What of a "discernment" ministry?. Understanding even which Bible holds God's Word and hasn't been corrupted is one of the basics. Yes that was a major disappointment.

Around the time of this discussion, I got away from that website and stopped posting as a commenter.  I probably would have been banned anyhow with time.

Later I would have a discussion with Deborah the person who runs Discerning the World on my blog.
It did not go well as you can see here: [Scroll down to the comments]
I even asked in these coments:
"Why would someone being non-Pre Trib upset you so? I know for a fact some of my responders here still are Pre-Trib, some even disagree with me about a future Pope being the Antichrist, etc. I do not consider these salvation issues or something to silence someone over. You seemed so upset over my non-Pre Trib beliefs even when I wrote that I had recently studied and come to different conclusions."
One can find valuable information in all sorts of places and this includes the DTW website, who has a list of many false teachers, however be discerning if you over there. I am not perfect nor do I expect perfection of other human beings but it when it comes to some discernment websites out there, with this one, there was many unanswered questions. I do believe there are many false discernment websites.  Many will give you pieces of the truth, and even LOTS of truth and endless lists of false teachers to the point you wonder how they have time to expose them all, while introducing falsehoods. If DTW is a sincere website, then they have departed seriously from God's truth even regarding His Word, that is a great blind spot. If they are not sincere, well, the focus on the Pre-Trib Rapture with little questioning allowed to the extreme and avid dismissal of the KJV Bible would make sense.

Friday, July 27, 2012

Well This Explains Many Christian Message Boards.......

I was on a message board for years, where the people there did a 180.  It is still going. Some guy posts so much, it almost seems like a job for him. Like who could or would spend 8 hours a day or more on message boards? People used to tell me I was nuts, when I could discern message boards full of phonies, the same writing styles and the same tactics used over and over as if people were WORKING THEM instead of people seeking after sincere discussions and fellowship. I wrote this article in response.

The Problems with Christian Message Boards

Sure there are many sincere folks on messages boards but many are NOT. I guess that is why I found this link of interest, because I saw so many games and so many influences, that were very odd. I was on message boards for years except not on for the hours some of these people were, I had a life to lead too.. Many people told me I was nuts, to believe that there were some on there playing games and doing things in a purposeful matter. What is scary, is sometimes I pop back on rare occasion to these old grounds and see the same names YEARS later spouting the same stuff to newcomers!

Many of the "personas" when pressed did not act like "NORMAL" people that is the best way I can describe it. I understand people disagreeing and that is normal stuff, but much of the antics I saw moved far beyond that. If we think about the amount of energy poured into the "networks" exposed on this blog and other ones, why wouldn't they pour energy into the Christian or other message board world and website world, to INFLUENCE, with "change agents" and the like meant to influence consensus on message boards to a certain direction? Hey it was no mystery to me why one very large and well known Christian message board had one of it's founders going to ecumenical "apologist" meetings. [I do not endorse everything at this website, just posting for information:
The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies

"Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
 1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.
 2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.
 3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.
4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.
5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.
6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial.
Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo.
 With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.
 7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.
 I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.
 8) Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:..."

I know the web is full of disinformationists. During my days when I was only warning about the Catholic and interfaith world and knew very little about the evangelical world, but was learning, they sent a few. One guy acted like he was against the new world order for years. I still remember the day of having been told by this guy he believed the Grahams were ecumenical deceivers and seeing him do a 180 the day I came out against Calvary Chapel on a very large message board. He is still working that message board, warning people about Rome, but advancing false teachers. His shouts and personal insults told me I was not dealing with someone NORMAL. The lack of emotions and endless emphasis on propaganda techniques told me chances were this was not a sincere person. 

This may sound odd, but another disinformation technique I believe is when some try to do OUTDO you. What do I mean? Well I saw this on message boards, and well guess it could happen on blogs too, you post and research stuff, but then they seem to know far more, and you start asking yourself HOW DID THEY FIND ALL THAT OUT IN SUCH A SHORT TIME? You know yourself you are just this ordinary person, reading and learning and they seem to know year's worth within a few months? I'll keep my blog going even if 20 "better and more knowledgeable researchers" show up. Hey if their blogs can get some info out even if the motives are different then that can be only for the good. This is not a competition. If they are sincere folks, then I am glad for every person who knows what is going on and if they can inform us of more things.  One technique is some will change the focus purposefully or narrow it down, to a very narrow focus to influence and change the direction of the group. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt at first which I believe is the best policy unless otherwise warned, because I am only human and don't want to be wrong  but definitely in the message board world I had that happen over and over.

#7 is a biggie. Inconsistency. I see endless inconsistencies even with the false teachers exposed on this blog. This is one thing where you can pick up on a false teacher. In other words their stories don't add up. Like why warn about one false religion but then take up with a guy who advances another like Mormonism? Why do we see some teachers who know so much about one topic--Rick Warren and Emergents but they can't get it through their skulls that when Billy Graham hobnobs with the Pope, he is teaching false things too?

I gave up on Christian message boards, I may still post on a few if I feel like exploring a topic or getting even links to my writings out  but I myself observed enough of the doings over the years to understand what was going on. There ARE sincere people on message boards, blogs and elsewhere but don't forget there are many invested in INFLUENCING for other causes. I used to think "Oh they would not bother with two-bit message boards and even blogs" but they do. Even the hate mail I get for this blog is insane and a couple months ago I started having really horrible spam sent to me [dozens a day and even from foreign countries], but blogger is good at weeding it out. Well God warned us of these things, so I can handle that. That's for sure. If you do participate on Christian message boards or other websites, don't ignore some of those feelings you may have about the other posters or what is going on. Pray to God to show you the truth.

Also don't make mistake I made letting time be wasted. Some of them will simply try to waste your time or tell you when you want to research or expose one teacher that you are being presumptuous and judgmental to try and steer you in the opposite direction. This happened with Roger Oakland. I discussed what I was finding out and how bothered I was. Maybe they were a sincere person who really was for Roger Oakland but sometimes I wonder about that. They got very angry when I wrote the article questioning why Oakland was still working with Calvary Chapel preachers.

Anyhow the Internet can be tough. Be discerning when dealing with it. Most huge Christian message boards are a bad deal. Even other Internet message board networks, where the service is large but they have multiple small message boards you need to be careful.

See also...

Dangers of Christian Message Boards.

What Kind of Church Would Celebrate Bad Attitudes?

Notice the title on the banner...


How strange. I was not surprised to find out this was Ruckman's church. Bad attitudes go against many bible exhortations including Philippians 4.  Why did he draw a German Nazi-era soldier on this chalk drawing on dispensations? Did I miss something?

This one is full of endless false teachings including promotion of the pre-Trib Rapture.  I noticed he believes in the millenial kingdom too. I've known Ruckman has been a false teacher for a long time. I wrote this article some time ago...

Warning About Ruckman: "I Do Not Think Abortion is Murder"

Hypocrisy: Billy Graham Says His Heart Aches for 'Deceived' America

Billy Graham Says His Heart Aches for 'Deceived' America

The Rev. Billy Graham has posted a new prayer letter on his website where he addresses the people of the nation and tells them he is very much afraid of the damage that the American lifestyle is doing in the eyes of the Lord.
The 93-year-old evangelist begins his letter by recalling an incident a few years ago when his wife, Ruth, who has since passed away, remarked that "If God doesn't punish America, He'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah," referring to the cities in the Old Testament destroyed for the sinful nature of their residents.

Billy Graham is the one doing the DECEIVING.

1. Ecumenical movement: ecumenical with Rome. see: Calvary Chapel Pastors Yoked to BGEA, Billy and Franklin Graham? 

2. The Lausanne Movement: see The Lausanne Movement: Bringing Evangelicals Into the Antichrist Fold [see other Lausanne articles here]

3. Preaching a false and watered down gospel: The Grahams: Easy Believism: Millions of Deceived.

I know it is not easy to tell people the truth about Billy Graham but we must. I just had to today, tell a missionary I know and who used to preach at one of my old churches, that Billy Graham is a deceiver. She had quoted him in a positive fashion. I pray she does listen, and may just be one of those people who does not know.  With American repenting...I think we should pray for as many people as possible to repent and be born again, but given what Bible prophecy tells us it is very unlikely for this country as a whole.  When I started this blog, I knew Billy Graham was a deceiver, but as I have studied the damages the Lausanne movement has done and how as a figure he has served as a nexus for just about as every false preacher, the picture has grown more bleak. This man more then any other was the pied piper to get Protestants and evangelicals to embrace Rome.  His son Franklin Graham is continuing the ecumenical work. 

 I do not like the sayings where people seem glad for God's wrath to befall anyone, God's judgements are just, but there is nothing to celebrate in anyone's demise.

Tuesday, July 24, 2012

A Variety of Links #16

The Colorado shooting, yet another horrible tragedy, now people can't even feel safe in movie theatres anymore but most of what Hollywood is pumping out is pure evil. The Batman movies have grown darker and more satanic. Even the one from the early 1990s, with Danny DaVito as "the penguin" was full of satanic imagery, they got worse year by year.  There is much occult symbology in these movies especially regarding the Joker. Heath Ledger's death was surrounded by endless questions.  Even the name of the movie was idolatrous, "The Dark Knight Rises" [Satan rising up?] By the way, why are they calling Batman the "Knight"? is that something new too?

Once I heard about this shooting, I immediately thought the timing was very interesting with the United Nations small arms deal being worked on. See "UN Arms Transfer Treaty (ATT) on Small Arms: Gun Grab Gradualism" [infowars article so be discerning] It seems now these sort of instances are growing.
There's too many agendas now where they want to do away with the second admendment, and leave Americans even more defenseless. Whatever the cause, this definitely was one of the most horrific shootings ever in American history.

Mayhem in Aurora

Also see:

The ‘Dark Knight Rises’ Shooting: Satanic Influence of The Joker [I do not agree with all the theology including Pre-Trib beliefs at this website]

Pray for all the victims and other's involved.

Society is growing darker, one can see it, more and more tragedy's of this nature, and worse are growing in number. People are being desensitized to utter madness. Can you imagine this sort of thing 20 years ago? How did we go for years and years in America without anyone blowing people away at movies? When you see those people they are reporting who have become cannibals doing deeds we couldn't even imagine in the news some years ago....I believe we are seeing episodes of those who are full blown possessed and that their numbers will be increased in the last days ["as it was in the days of Noah"]. I think Holmes definitely look possessed in his photos. [whether it was a result of mind control or his own wicked involvements. Remember in the Bible, they even tried to CHAIN up a possessed man, he was that destructive.

Mark 5:3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:

{I wrote this yesterday but noticed Matt on The New Jerusalem Chronicle added an article talking about the shootings and what they mean so wanted to add that in too}

"The "Dark Knight" Movie Theater Shootings: More Proof "Gun Control" Doesn't Work"


21 Burned by Hot Coals at Tony Robbins Fire-Walking Event. 

People do get harmed by these motivational and other New Age events, I remember watching on TV an instance where people died in a too hot sweat lodge. Often these teachers influence these people to set common sense aside. Usually with hot coals it works with condensation to keep feet from being burned, probably the humidity of the air outside was too high or some other factor, for them to be so severely burned. Still such events are a combination of mumbo-jumbo, false teachings and the worse aspects of human pride. What is even worse, is people learn duped OBEDIENCE that causes them to HARM themselves and ignore their own pain and needs of their bodies.

Evangelical giant Wheaton College joins Catholic University’s case against the HHS mandate [warning Catholic website] The Culture wars are drawing more in the net. Comment about ecumenism is from the article.

"On the heels of the Supreme Court’s Affordable Care Act decision, Wheaton College of Illinois, a leading evangelical liberal arts institution, filed a lawsuit today alongside The Catholic University of America in the D.C. District Court opposing the Health and Human Services “Preventative Services” mandate, which forces both institutions to violate their deeply held religious beliefs or pay severe fines, according to a statement from The Becket Fund.
This alliance, according to The Becket Fund, marks the first-ever partnership between Catholic and evangelical institutions to oppose the same regulation in the same court. (Now, that’s ecumenism!)"
Yes, they are all being sucked in by Rome. They believe Rome cares about "religious freedom?"
Is there any "Christian" university not playing footsie with Rome in some way?


CUFI video:

Christians United for Israel 2012 Summit Headlined by Michele Bachmann and David Barton [secular-liberal-link] Notice the political aspects of this, and do not forget these people WANT war with Iran.

I warned about the CUFI here: [This is John Hagee's Christian Zionist group]

Glenn Beck Joins the CUFI-Christian Zionism Parade

Notice the names that made their appearance at the 2010 CUFI summit:

David Barton, Tony Perkins--remember I wrote about the group he is president of last week--the Family Research Council, Ralph Reed, John Hagee, James Robinson, Richard Land, and Kenneth Copeland.

2011 also included a lot of interesting names {Jewish link}


News4themasses also pointed out one of Becks "new" upcoming conferences on her article "The Power of Beck's Priests:

“Andy” Submitted on 2012/07/18 at 12:23 pm
Notice that list of people at the “Indivisible” thing:
Franklin Graham — Ecumenical Graham empire- (Calvary Chapel favorite, Adored by Bob Coy, Skip Heitzig, Levi Lusko, Greg Laurie, Erwin Lutzer)
Ravi Zacharias — Pseudo “apologetics” guy that finds ways to say nice things about Mormonism and Catholicism
“Father” Johnathan Morris — need I say more? (Fox News Contributor)
Kenneth Copeland — Word of Faith magician
Phillips, Craig, and Dean — Oneness Pentecostal (denies Trinity and teaches water baptism as required for salvation)
“Rabbi” Aryeo Spero — Unbeliever that denies that Jesus is the Christ, and is therefore an antichrist according to 1 John
John Hagee — Once denied that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, and also believes that Jews don’t need Jesus to be saved
David Barton — Fake “historian” and ecumenical tool of Rome. (Dominionist, Promise Keepers, Glenn Beck poster child and frequent speaker at Calvary Chapel Political Events as well as Conferences, Black Robe Regiment member)
Continuing to shed light on some of these teachers the list continues: (to be continued! I will continue to gather a short synopsis of these characters later)
James Robison- Blaze Contributor -Glenn Beck’s NewsBlog, Former Moral Majority,
Jay Richards- Wrote, “Indivisible” with James Robison, Fellow at Heritage Foundation, Discovery Network,
Jim Garlow- Black Robe Regiment member-group founded by Beck, Endoresed Newt Gingrich recently converted Catholic during bid for Potus 2012,
Richard Land- Southern Baptist Convention,
Yes the same names crop up over and over, they don't even bother to hide any ties with the Roman Catholic church anymore, notice the names of all the priests, and are being 100% out front about it.  Remember James Robison has already stated his views of the Catholic church:

James Robison Leading Protestants To Rome

Beck discusses the Under God Indivisible conference too here:

Now notice how he admits that the Black Robe Regiment is getting together with priests and rabbis.
How many duped pastors belong to that group?

You know I want you all to think about this, how many evangelical churches support the names above? Even many of the fundamentalist baptist churches, I know they support Beck, the Israel stuff, the teachers above. I have tried even warning past church members about these guys and failed.  How many confessing Christians see through the deceivers above? Sadly very few but those who have been warned by the Holy Spirit and who have listened.

The whole time I've written this blog, I have gone with the formula that everything traces back to Rome based on the Revelation 17:5 verse. 

Hey I want you to notice something with the video above, look at the banner behind Beck. Do you see what is in that HEART? A diving dove. 

See: Glenn Beck Visits the Vatican and it's Leaders: Wants Global Tea Party
Why I Left The Institutional Church

I definitely don't agree with this blogger on everything, he has emergent leanings, but different parts are interesting. Even if we disagree with the person writing the article, there are facets of truth here. I am facing facts my chances of finding a church assembly outside of a would be home church are growing lower and lower and have come to more acceptance about this and praying to God about it. In other words, God has allowed me to come to better acceptance about it and understanding my relationship with Him is what counts the most.

1 John 3:3 3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

One interesting moment for me was seeing a new church advertised and looking it up to see that it was another charismatic brand. Even the horrible politics, Dominionism and more I warn about on this blog, is enough to keep one far away. There are many Christians as I have written outside the church system now. Sadly in churches I have visited, I've seen some of what he talks about
The church was totally about preserving itself, which included protecting the money and playing the politics needed to accomplish that.
The church wanted and lusted after the rich, the beautiful, those with good jobs and large incomes, those who had married well, those who lived in the best neighborhoods and those who sent their children to the best schools. The church did not want or welcome the poor, the unlovely, minorities, LGBTs or the homeless. 
The church did not want or welcome those who asked questions, those who disagreed with the leadership and those who did not contribute financially. 
The pastor, staff and leadership rarely had time to talk to anyone except the power brokers and those who gave the most money.
I asked the pastor “Do you know what happened to ‘Mr. Smith’? I haven’t seen him in several weeks.” “The last I heard he was very ill and in the hospital. He may have died,” the pastor replied. “Did you visit him at the hospital or call his family? I asked. “No. He wasn’t a member of the church.” Neither was I, nor were many of the people who attended there. If I ended up on my deathbed, at least I knew who would not be there. (I later learned from another source that ‘Mr. Smith had died a couple of weeks before my conversation with the pastor.)
He then wrote about why he didn't go back:

The thing I worry about for this guy, is the Emergents have their traps waiting for those who are disenfranchised from the institutional churches. This is an issue I never have covered very much, but they have their network out there too, waiting to scoop up those who are disaffected from the churches.  Many of the false Emergent teachers are good at pointing out things that are wrong, but then offer their false solutions. They feed them the lines that church is "everywhere" [helping to advance the ecumenical lines] but obviously some of this is being effective due to real problems out there.

See: Are Poor People Leaving the Churches?


Benny Hinn Believes Billy Graham's Death Will Start 'Revival'

I am sure when it does happen, it will be like when the last Pope died and the world will celebrate it's own in their media. False preachers always claim "revival" is coming instead of warning of the truth of the great falling away and the tribulation to come. Benny Hinn is one of the most obvious false preachers. That is another wolf, you see cropping up all over the place. The way they worship man is nauseating.


Aspects of the patriarchy movement grow odder and odder. In fact I wonder if in 20 years if we will be looking at arranged marriages, with these groups, because I do not see any male suitors showing up or measuring up to these standards. If these extreme Dominionists and Patriarchy types wish to see their daughters actually with the ability to marry, waiting for the perfect prince to show up on his white steed is not going to be happening. If Dad chases all the "unqualified men" away, some of these young girls are looking at spinister-hood without a doubt.

The covenant signing came next. Terry read his vows to his daughter:

I will protect you from unqualified men.
I will teach you God's principles of life.
I will pray for you and for God's choice of your life partner.
And signed the covenant.

Haley then read her vows to her dad:
I will keep myself pure for my husband.
I will obtain your blessing on my courtship.
I will wait for your full release before entering into marriage.
She signed the covenant and Pastor Johnson witnessed and dated the document.

Here a girl makes a covenant with their father and they have an entire ceremony in doing this that looks like a wedding ceremony including a signed certificate. I was very weirded out seeing this. Yes it is a personal blog and they look like nice people but I wish someone would warn them these are not biblical teachings, this comes out of false partriarchy. Some may ask, why didn't you write them first? Well I have tried to write many on blogs like that one, don't always post about it, and never receive a response back. If they somehow see this as a result of my linking to them, I hope they read my article warning against the Patriarchy Movement. This seems to be all about going back to ownership of women, and has nothing to do with scripture. I also think the psycho-social aspects of a father directing an adult daughter's life to that degree are twisted, helicopter parenting married to Dominionism and crosses endless boundaries. What do they mean "release" her for marriage? What is she a prisoner? Also what is this crazy "key to the heart" stuff? All the purity rings seem to have keys on them. The umbrella by the way isn't a good symbol. God should be directing a person's heart, no other human being.

Two Sides of the Same Evil Coin: Radical Feminism Vs. The Patriarchy Movement

I received a Nave's Topical Bible some time ago and it has been very rewarding in reading through it and looking up topics I want to explore in scripture. I would suggest this for any Christian, of course we want to stick to our Bibles first but this is a good way to read scriptures too by topic, depending on your interests. Areas I have explored have been "Fellowship" and "God's Love" and a myriad of topics. I would recommend this for all my readers, it has helped in my own Bible studies. The verses in this are from the KJV.

Wednesday, July 18, 2012

The Occult Olympics and the worship of APOLLYON [REV 9:11]

I knew the Olympics in Beijing were occultic in 2008. I hadn't yet started this blog, but remember warning people on message boards, about the arena that looked like an Horus eye, the "tower" that looked like the Tower of Babylon and about the people all acting in unison like robots during the opening and closing ceremonies. The symbols were endless. It looks like 2012 isn't going to disappoint on that score either.

Here is a picture of the Beijing "tower of babylon":

I have only done links and posts about the Olympics to a degree including videos on the possible Olympic false flags.  Make sure you check those out.

They are full of occult imagery, the Olympics do not fail when it comes to advancing new world order imagery to the masses. Many have noticed how the logo spells out "Zion". I haven't posted on this matter as so many others have covered the territory and would just be repeating what they have already done but figured I would cover it at least a little bit especially since the Olympics begin next week.

I do think something is UP with this logo, I mean how more blatant can they make it with their Cyclops Horus Eye mascots and the spelling of "ZION"?

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

I found this video interesting as he speaks about the connection of Apollyon warned of in the Bible, to Apollo and the Olympics. Apollo does equal Apollyon.  He is right about their worship of the Olympic torch, the so called "sacred fire" being related to the Mystery Schools and the fire that Prometheus carried in their pagan beliefs. Referring to the "Gnostic gift of fire", that is what it represents. This is why you should avoid websites even so called "Christian" ones, that mark themselves with a symbol of TORCH. 

The UN does use the Olympics to promote world peace and I agree with him about his teachings of the advancement of GLOBAL CONSCIOUSNESS [a.k.a. Global unity] via the Olympics. Interesting how they brought in a native American pagan "priest" to pray over the Olympics. It is interesting how on Olympic websites, that the Olympics in 1896 were meant by them bring in "global peace" via sports.  He is right about how they desire for more power for themselves. He focuses on the New Age movement but remember too most world religions including the "Christian" world is united with the Olympics including the Pope as well. Obviously he is correct in how the Olympics influence people.


Know these things and understand the games.  

"The Olympics are the following.
They come from the ruins of ancient Olympia for pagan worship of Greek gods.
They sing a hymn to honor the Greek god of Olympus.
They have a prayer to Zeus along with mystical chants,
and strange "vettas" worshipping a sacred earth...
They use the "sacred" flame, a worship to the Greek sun god."

Some more about the Olympics, they light the torch at the temple of HERA with an INVOCATION TO APOLLO [see above about APOLLYON] This article describes the 2012 lighting ceremony:

Actress Ino Menegaki, dressed as a high priestess, stood before the 2,600-year-old Temple of Hera, and after an invocation to Apollo, the ancient Greeks' Sun God, used a mirror to focus the sun's rays and light a torch.

The triangular torch is designed to highlight the fact that London is hosting the Olympics for the third time. It also staged the games in 1908 and 1948.

The invocation to Apollo is done here....[from a video in 2000] I decided not to embed it I was so disgusted even just watching the minute where she calls upon Apollo, but you can see this picture and the paganism that is part of the Olympics.

The Olympics are THAT BAD.......

"Links Posted for Information, Not As Endorsements"

Definitely some websites I agree with more then others.

Some websites I have linked have good information on them but I do not agree with all of what they have posted. For example,  I do not agree with "Contending For the Truth" regarding the Nephilim. Other links I trust more then others.

I try to avoid those with blatant errors but consider the information on some to be worthwhile.

I considered taking down all links but then figured it would be better for my readers to have access to the information on the blogs provided. That said DISCERN WISELY and pray to God about whatever you read.

I have now made it blog policy not to endorse any website 100%. We are in the days where people should only be trusting God 100%. Some probably can tell via what I have exposed here, that we are dealing with deep deception on so many levels, that is actually the best way for anyone to go now. Even in writing articles, finding "clean" links in the Christian world beyond secular and mainstream cites is getting tougher and tougher.

So this is why I have added that caveat to my LIST of LINKS

Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Family Research Council Hires Boykin as Executive Vice President


"The FRC has announced that Boykin will join the Religious Right lobby as executive vice president. In a press release, the FRC said Boykin will "oversee day-to-day operations including policy, finance, development, communications, human resources, facilities, information technology, constituent communications and services."

Yes it's reported on the FRC website directly too:

I keep seeing this group FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL popping up all over the place when I do any articles on Dominionism or it's related preachers.  The most I know about them is they are this Dominionist group involved in religious right politics who claim they are for the defense of the family and freedom. Tony Perkins is the president, they have joined together with the Heritage Foundation on some projects. People like Kirk Cameron, and various Calvary Chapel pastors [see below graphic] as well as many others have been associated with this group. I see their name crop up all over the place and just haven't posted on them yet.

From the Heritage Foundation website:

The Family Research Council have a link that goes to this other website,called WATCHMEN ON THE WALL []  Notice the graphic below:

"Q. What is a Watchman Pastor?
A. We get the name from Isaiah 62:6: ” I have posted watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem; they will never be silent day or night. You who call on the LORD, give yourselves no rest.” We believe that a Watchman Pastor is called to do the following:
Watch what is going on in the culture.
Pray for the wisdom to engage biblically, courageously, and winsomely.
Sound the Alarm from the pulpit.
 Take a bold stand with others to defend and advance faith, family, and freedom.
What kind of watchmen think the Knights of Malta is a good organization?

Here you see the marriage of Dominionist politics to the uniting of denominations via the culture wars I have warned about multiple times on this blog.

I do not want to post a direct link to this group, but you can find these things at

Q. Should we network with pastors of our own denomination/fellowship or should we try to connect with others?

A. Do both. We realize that getting pastors to build “bridges” with other pastors from different traditions and denominations can be quite difficult, but most Bible-believing pastors would agree that the Church of Jesus Christ is in dire need of revival and that America needs a radical turning toward God. There is too much common ground and too great a need not to link arms together.
I've seen the Family Research Council listed as a sponsor while doing a VOTER VALUES SUMMIT blog post I wrote some time ago:

"Values Voter Summit: Church and State Married Together"

  The Family Research Council and Heritage Foundation were both sponsors of this event along with other organizations, you can see they get big name right wing politicians at these events.

Remember Gary Bauer mentioned on the recent Moon article? He was a past president of the Family Research Council. 

I definitely thought this latest news would be of interest given the other articles here, and elsewhere on Boykin. 

I don't trust Rense nor do I endorse their website, but read this article for information...

"The Unholy Alliance -Christianity & The NWO Part I

Stay away from any preacher or teacher who supports the religious right or the political religious right. They are there to manipulate on behalf of the New World Order.

The fact they chose a Knights of Malta guy, says it all.

Monday, July 16, 2012


Luk 14:13    But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:

As I wrote in the politics of deceit article, both sides work together to divide, and make people "hate" whoever they want people to hate. Satan as prince of this world definitely is working all angles.

They are doing it with race, religion--teaching people to hate instead of witnessing Jesus Christ's love, and they are doing it with economic class: rich vs. poor. On many "conservative" websites, you will see many actually insult and put down anyone who is on welfare, poor or in need of food stamps, but then while there are those who rip off the system, you'll never hear about the trillions to bankers or the endless wars America has immersed itself in on behalf of the globalists with TRILLION of dollars attached. The whole Tea Party phenomenon has been the controlled inverse of the whole Occupy movement. Both desire what the power elite wants and that is class warfare: more strife, more division a la "divide and conquer" and more power for the central bankers and elite. 

Even if someone believes that welfare was a bad idea, with the state taking over things families and churches should be helping with, what of all the people who basically say, throw everyone in the gutter with no options today? You know some of their rhetoric may make sense if they actually wanted to help the poor in a Christian manner. You don't see any of these types really wanting to return to the ways things were done in the old days where Christian families and churches shared resources. Suggest that and they will look at you like you are insane. If anything these types have led to more decline in community and more division between people.

Video by secular newscaster but shows his words:

David Barton managed to insult the poor not so long ago.
Wouldn't it be interesting to do a study between those that are on welfare and see how much and how often they read the Bible. You know, if Booker T. Washington is right that Christianity and reading the Bible increases your desires and therefore your ability for hard work; if we take that as an axiom, does that mean that the people who are getting government assistance spend nearly no time in the Bible, therefore have no desire, and therefore no ability for hard work? I could go a lot of places with this. I would love to see this proven out in some kind of sociological study, but it makes perfect sense.

Notice how he says the poor here, don't read the Bible and are lazy? What absurdity is that? I have lived in poor communities and affluent ones, and one thing I have noticed personally is you will find more Christian believers in rural and urban communities that are poor. If anything there are less Christian believers, the more wealthy a place is. Perhaps there are a few exceptions but if you move to Appalachia your choices of a true Bible believing church or assembly probably will be better then if you move to a rich Boston suburb. This has been my experience when it comes to the wealthy vs the poor. What did Jesus say about that rich man having a harder time getting into heaven? What snobbery coming from David Barton! Sounds like he wants to help the elite exploit more "hard working" serfs.

Hard work is important for those healthy enough to work, but what of the side, that work is being denied MILLIONS in America via all the outsourcing?  Those who aren't working for Satan or who have their eyes even half-way open can see the closed factories all over the place.

This is another deceiver who will never deal with the fact of what is happening to America and how our economy is being destroyed by plan by the elite instead like the other minions of the false religion right, they will blame the victims of the deceit, corruption and world-wide rip offs! Hey they got the brainwash-a-thons going through out the church system such as teaching people if they are "industrious" enough and "act" like rich people they will become wealthier.

Poverty In America Growing Worse with Churches Even More Out of Touch

What is so astonishing out there, is how many are ignoring what the Bible says about the poor? Lately I have been increasingly disturbed, so called Christian believers I know scoffing at the poor and call them disgusting and lazy. Even recently I was in one of these discussions.  Earlier in life, I was even told by a Christian friend that fellowshipping with some homeless people was a bad idea and that I would be bringing myself "down". Yes that is the attitudes that are going on out there, and they are WRONG. 

 I found myself in the position of telling someone, that not everyone on welfare was lazy and that many people on welfare are WORKING, thought at low-level jobs that pay under subsistence wages. I have known people who even had low level jobs forced to live in their car in the past. While there are kind people of all classes, the out of touch types seem to be growing even more entrenched and adamant in their hatred for the poor and blaming them for all the country's problems. This is not going anywhere good not at all. This hatred of the poor makes me sick. Why didn't one person get up and tell Barton he just basically said the opposite of what Jesus taught?

Here is something I feel led to talk about, this regards the drought that they have just declared a DISASTER in 26 states, to help advance their global warming and sustainable development lies. This definitely is going to be having the outcome of making food prices in America skyrocket. They are already high now, but just wait!  What do you think this is going to do the availability of food or the price of groceries? Do pray to God about any needs to prepare if you are able to do so. I know personally now even in communities that are not even that poor, the food pantries and more are strained to the breaking point. People are not getting the same kind of help they used to get. We already have tons of Americans now barely able to keep the rent paid and food on the table, and just imagine too if the Obamacare 'tax' is dumped on people increasing their monthly bills, by a huge amount too.

Yes there are those who take advantage of the system but we are now living in a country where 100 million people are unemployed and they are not all lazy good-for nothings, like these types would have you believe. Reading the above made me sick. I have covered this issue before exposing preachers who take up for the new world order and the elite and those who have worldly attitudes towards the poor.

Preachers Blaming The Poor for the Debt: Covering Up the Real Causes

I am going to lay something out flat here, I have nonbelievers tell me all the time that Christians hate the poor. Hey why wouldn't they believe that way, when they see the hirelings on TV always put the poor down and take up for the elite? These conservative preachers and politicians always take up for the fat cats. Sure the left lies too, they want more control, more enslavement as they use the poor as pawns. Both converging both sides for the cause of the new world order and their dream of globalism and a one world government.

What is scary to me is how the poor are now isolated and the experiences of millions of underemployed, unemployed, and other people facing poverty is being ignored by the churches, ignored by the media as if they do not exist. They are told the economy is improving. They are told by out of touch still employed people, that they have something "wrong" with them. FEW ARE SEEING THE BIG PICTURE. I used to visit churches around were I live, and I noticed even in many of them the plight of the poor was ignored. The poor remained outside the churches. The unemployment percentages they name of it being near 8% is total nonsense, the real numbers are closer to the first depression's levels.

The religious right advances HATRED for the poor. In fact for years, while I understand how the left exploits the poor, all too often the messages from the religious right, is to blame the poor. They advance meritocracy and tell poor people they are that way due to an endless number of faults. In the Dominionist world, I am noticing the smug preaching regarding the impoverished and a type of middle class and above elitism is ever present.  Much of their preaching isn't even relevant for a working class or below person's life. It is based on false things of this world. By the way there is a direct correlation with the so called Christians who hate and disdain the poor who support the police state. I have seen the two go hand in hand so many times.  David Barton advances Dominionism so why wouldn't he match the rest of his deceiving brethern on that account?They defend every evil and corruption that comes under the name of capitalism, while advancing third way communism.  Everyone who sat there nodding blindly to Barton's words, disobeyed Jesus Christ.

Luk 14:21    So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

My New Identity in Christ

"The Vatican Bank Is Reportedly Under Investigation For Laundering Millions For A Mafia Godfather"

"The Vatican Bank Is Reportedly Under Investigation For Laundering Millions For A Mafia Godfather"

More and more gets exposed about the corruption coming out of Satan's puzzle palace on the Tiber. I once read in a book and forget who it was, but they said the Mafia basically served as the criminal arm for the Vatican world-wide. I would believe it. Ever see any of those mafiosos get excommunicated no matter the depth of their crimes?

New reports detailing widespread corruption and money laundering in the Vatican are coming out again, this time linking the Vatican with Sicilian mafia bosses, the Telegraph reports.
Sicilian mafia Godfather Matteo Messina Denaro and Father Ninni Treppiedi are the two names being mentioned in this episode.
Treppiedi, formerly the cleric of Aclamo, the richest parish in mafia safe haven Sicily, was relieved of his duties earlier this year when his bank's transactions attracted the attention of anti-mafia investigators. The transactions, which date back to 2007-2009, are said to involve millions of euros, according to RT.
Prosecutors believe the transactions may have been attempts at laundering the riches of Mafia Godfather Denaro. Denaro is said to be one of the most wanted men on earth, and has something of a celebrity status in Italy (he appeared on the cover of l'Espresso in 2001).
This latest development comes on the heels of the firing of Vatican Bank president Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, the arrest and imprisonment of the Pope's personal butler, and a report that mob boss Enrico de Pedis was buried next to former popes after his family paid one billion lire to the Vatican in 1990.
The lack of transparency in the Vatican's financial dealings was even recently questioned by JPMorgan Chase, shutting down the Vatican's bank account in Chase's Milan branch.

See also "Vatican Bank 'allowed clergy to act as front for Mafia" 

and from 2010

"Prosecutors: Vatican Bank Covered for Mafia"

Questioning The Cutting Edge Website and David Bay

I left Cutting Edge behind some time ago.  I don't get to every subject just due to time restraints, that should be covered on this blog, but they definitely were a website, I believe needed some questions asked and more exploration.

What is interesting is finding out the fact that Chris Pinto and David Bay work together
[This information was provided by a commenter]

Look at the list of names above with David E Bay as Executive Producer and Christian J. Pinto as director. 

This isn't good, especially if you have read the latest on Chris Pinto:

"Will The Real Chris Pinto Stand Up"?

Christian J. Pinto: Double Agent of the Double Cross ++

Do all these guys know each other? Sure seems to be that way.

What's with this bloody logo? Anyone kind of grossed out by it? I sure am.

What's with all the very dubious teachers showing up? Doc Marquis, was mentioned in a recent article I did where he did a conference with Chuck Missler doing a lecture on the Illumanti:

"The "Christian" Experts and their Delusions"

It seems to me just like every false teacher out there is united on false Pre-Trib Rapture teachings, they all come together on the creepy Nephilim messages. Read what I have warned about regarding aliens and the nephilim. This is more delusion of the greatest kind and all of them nod towards non-scripture such as the book of Enoch to back up their claims.

While there a few sincere people who I believe need to research the matter more in depth, the whole Nephilim thing is always pushed on too many "exposing the NWO" websites out there. It seems to be a message the whole false controlled opposition crowd are very invested in. The Cutting Edge website also does sell books like -Israel and the Church: The Prodigal Heirs - DVD by Dr. Chuck Missler

By the way what's with that clock that ends on 60 marked with the Star of David? How about that weird looking hand [V hand sign]? and well we are ever familiar with the masonic checkerboard.

Tom Horn's books and videos also make a consistent appearance, this including the ones that focus on aliens and Nephilims too, but here they focus on FALSE Catholic prophecy instead.

Why would you want your Christian readers to put ANY STOCK in any false non-biblical Catholic prophecies? Even if I have mentioned the Malachy prophecies, I tell people don't trust them. Anything coming out of Rome can be used to deceive and has been used to deceive such as the prophecies surrounding their false Marian apparitions, some even written after the fact. What on earth is the Jesuit Codex and why would you direct readers to Jesuit anything? Here too within this book, you see the focus on 2012 and subtle date-setting. The book also mentions Malachi Martin, well Martin was a Jesuit and I read enough of his books, to know his game, was to promote the Vatican as being "infiltrated" instead of the originator of evil.

Then there is Bill Schnoebelen. His books are sold on the Cutting Edge website. This is an author I have not gotten much time to write about, but he was one of the first ones I encountered where discernment said stay away. I saw one of his old newsletters years and years ago where he had the oddest logos it looked like multiple letters placed upon each other, with Ws included and was very questionable. Later I would see this article where someone else had exposed it as a "rune".

Bill Schnoebelen's "With One Accord Logo": RUNE

The book covers always seem to have weird stuff on them. Why are there two "Ms" contained within each O above in the word "DOOM"? ["M" is used in occult markings]

Mike Hoggard is another author whose books are sold on the Cutting Edge website. This blogger goes deeper into his teachings and occult markings on his books. Mike Hoggard I was not very familiar with.

"Mike Hoggard and His Spiritual Conspiracy"

I wrote about the logo to a reader very recently, wondering why it was so bloody. A few years ago, I departed from Cutting Edge, no longer trusting it as a valid website. I had departed from them over their Christian Zionism, promotion of those like Tom Horn and other false teachers, and weird stuff, I could never figure out why they seemed to emphasize Freemasonic origins of the KJV Bible. Yes, there are those who could have issued Freemasonic altered versions or included such art with a Bible, but it all seemed written and set up to bring people into doubting God's Word and to have double messages.

I never really trusted the Cutting Edge website because of this issue.  Why would you not only make money selling books, tapes and the rest which one can understand some payment for the production of those said items but then charge people an additional 25 dollars to read your "watchmen" articles? What kind of watchman would want to profit of warning people? If you truly want to warn why limit this to those who can afford your fee? Don't you want as many people to know as possible what is going on out there?

I consider Cutting Edge, like "Infowars" for Christians. Some information is valuable, but make sure what else to be careful of what they are selling along with some of the expose's on the new world order and false religions.

Sometimes when one is research other matters, they see the same names crop up over and over. Many of us bloggers have covered the overly-incestous world of phony Christian "apologetics". It really is getting to the point where you wonder who is sincere anymore though you know they are out there too. Of course knowing who is an "insider" themselves or deceived by the others, remains in question.

I've seen David Bay's name cropping up in a variety of odd places.

Here is a connection that deeply concerned me too...

This video explores Bible prophecy and the coming last day empire. It features unique never-before- seen interviews, historical film footage, hundreds of support graphics, original 3D animation, and a powerful musical score. § State-of-the-art 3D animation graphics that provide visual aid for: o Nebuchadnezzar’s dream of an image representing four world empires o The fourth beast of Daniel’s prophecy o The seven headed beast of Revelation 13 o Mystery Babylon the Great o Antichrist, and 10 Kings of Rev 17 o The False Prophet 

Speakers are: Dave Hunt, David Bay, T.A. McMahon, Joe Schimmel, Lynn Marzulli, Caryl Matrisciana, William T. Still

Caryl Matrisciana?

Not good. Way too many connections to the Council for National Policy with that one. Long time readers of this blog may remember this article...

Caryl Matrisciana, Wide is The Gate and The Council For National Policy

By the way, I do not trust Dave Hunt as a teacher, he is aging, and sickly today but has had connections with Missler and his own dubious connections and teachings.

Watch this.....[David Bay being interviewed]

Doc Marquis was in a coven too?

Well  Schnoebelen admits it.

There are those who do sincerely leave the occult and become Christians but you have to wonder about these guys who claim they left the occult, but then hang out with false teachers like Missler.

In the video it is weird they were telling people the economy would not be going into collapse? [it's collapsing now] He may be right about it being fast at the end. Even if the stock market is going up and some are profiting off of things, does not mean no collapse is happening. All one has to do is have a memory and look around at all the empty store fronts and know the number of people who are unemployed. Hey the new world order isn't going to tell people what is going on.

Hey do you see what I see here? See something funny about that handshake?

Be careful when it comes to the Cutting Edge website. As I have written on this blog, they got a LAYER for deception or a net to catch people who find stuff out at every level. So they definitely have done a masterful job of seeking to fool Christians who happen to become New World Order aware. I remember the days when I knew little and while I questioned some things on there, thought this was a good website warning of things. I am thankful to God, He showed me the truth about the deep deceptions they are seeking to lead people into.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.